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  Another suspect JW experience

  by neat blue dog in

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  the latest jwdotorg experience tells of using video conferencing to hold congregation meetings inside jail for prisoners.

  it says that the prison director himself and his wife have also started attending the zoom meetings and quotes him as saying.

  “these meetings are of great importance for the spiritual and emotional well-being of the prisoners during this period of social isolation.

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  In UK the Yorkshire Ripper has considered turning to Islamic gangs to get protection in jail.

  “If you are a child killer, rapist or a mass murderer, the only gang who are going to let you in are the Muslims but you have to convert to Islam.”

  https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707126/yorkshire-ripper-islam-muslim-convert-prison-peter-sutcliffe

  Anyone noticed how the latest public WT is aimed at people who are Middle Eastern? The front cover has a woman wearing a headscarf and jacket (maybe suggesting a student) and pic on page 10 shows a beared (but not too bearded) man praying.
  

  A large part of WT beliefs come from something called Theo Sufism. Sufism is a branch of the Muslim religion.
  
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  Is There a Higher Conscious

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of the individuals here from what i have read have gravitated to believing in evolution for various reasons and no longer have a belief in a creator.. the questions begs though, is there a higher conscious in the universe than mankind's.

  i am sure everyone agrees that animals are conscious, but to what extent can they reason?.

  here is the link to dr. rupert sheldrake's - is the sun conscious.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhsobpja8a.

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  John 1:1

  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
  
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  Is There a Higher Conscious

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of the individuals here from what i have read have gravitated to believing in evolution for various reasons and no longer have a belief in a creator.. the questions begs though, is there a higher conscious in the universe than mankind's.

  i am sure everyone agrees that animals are conscious, but to what extent can they reason?.

  here is the link to dr. rupert sheldrake's - is the sun conscious.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhsobpja8a.

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  Was there a time before words? If so explain.
  
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  Is There a Higher Conscious

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most of the individuals here from what i have read have gravitated to believing in evolution for various reasons and no longer have a belief in a creator.. the questions begs though, is there a higher conscious in the universe than mankind's.

  i am sure everyone agrees that animals are conscious, but to what extent can they reason?.

  here is the link to dr. rupert sheldrake's - is the sun conscious.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhsobpja8a.

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  If it ever attended a KH it would be a higher unconscious. Or maybe a lower unconscious depending on how you measured it.

  Have you ever wondered whether people just pretend to be conscious? For example elders when they are taking the ministry group. Some of them mysteriously disappear afterwards but magically reappear when a bacon butty and a cup of coffee is on the horizon.
  
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  What’s up with the modern Nation of Israel?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  being raised a dub i never voted.

  i’m not a republican or a democrat, not a liberal or a conservative.. i’m pretty middle of the road.

  i want everyone to have a fair shake if possible in this life, but i definitely don’t believe in forced equality, that’s just not possible.

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  The 1600s - Manasseh ben Israel

  Manasseh was most profoundly interested in Messianic problems, being convinced, for example, of the Davidic origin of the Abravanel family, from which his own wife was descended. He was full of cabalistic opinions, though he was careful not to expound them in those of his works that were written in modern languages and intended to be read by Gentiles. In particular, he was convinced that the restoration to the Holy Land could not take place until the Jews had spread into and inhabited every part of the world. In 1644 he came in contact with Antonio de Montesinos (Aaron Levi), who convinced him that the North-American Indians were the Lost Ten Tribes. He appears to have directed his attention to the countries in Europe where Jews were not permitted to live, trusting that by obtaining their admission the coming of the Messiah would be accelerated. He entered into correspondence with Christina, Queen of Sweden, ostensibly regarding matters of Hebrew learning, but probably with the design of getting her help in obtaining for the Jews admission into Sweden. But his chief attention was directed to securing the readmission of Jews into England, with many leading theologians of which country he was in active correspondence on this point
  

  
  
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  What’s up with the modern Nation of Israel?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  being raised a dub i never voted.

  i’m not a republican or a democrat, not a liberal or a conservative.. i’m pretty middle of the road.

  i want everyone to have a fair shake if possible in this life, but i definitely don’t believe in forced equality, that’s just not possible.

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  Watchtower is an organization but its a religion...it claims Jesus became invisibly present in 1914.

  There are some Jews (I believe it is those who accept the Patriarchs) who, rejecting Jesus Christ as the Messiah, say that the Messiah is not a person but an Age. So a New Age starts when a particular moment in time comes.

  Is it a secular idea? Is it a religious idea? Is is a secular, religous idea? Whatever, it is similar to Communism and the idea of a search for a society through a 3-stage theory of progress bit like a.......pyramid.

  Impressed by progress, Joseph Rutherford felt that cream separators were evidence the Messiah had arrived. He also boldly told everyone that millions now living would never die and that all religion was a snare and a racket.
  
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  How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

  by Number 6 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

  if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

  i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

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  Phizzy 1914 is in the Bible but not as JWs know it.

  19+14=33

  Ez 40:1 (it's the 19th year of Nebu plus 14 years after it)
  

  This simple calculation is part and parcel of decimating WT's doctrine as if Jehovah knew all along exactly what liars were going to do. But he caught the liars in the trap they set for others because He is far, far more clever than they could ever conceive.
  

  Jehovah created time and He knows how to use it with an awsome and frightening accuracy.

  (Isaiah 54:17) . . .Any weapon whatever that will be formed against you will have no success, and any tongue at all that will rise up against you in the judgment you will condemn. This is the hereditary possession of the servants of Jehovah, and their righteousness is from me,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
  
  
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  How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

  by Number 6 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

  if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

  i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

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  WT Public Edition No.3 carries the ad for latest study publication which contains info on 1914 in chapters 8 and 9.
  
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  Why Do Intelligent People Still Believe In The Jehovah’s Witness Religion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand it’s a cult.

  but what makes an intelligent person actually believe they have the “truth” as taught by jehovah’s witnesses??

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  Yes I agree Smiddy - pride is involved. And some of those elders have been very cruel to others in the past. Treating them as less than human and less than an animal. Disgusting. But forgivable cause let's face it if someone treats you badly, you want that person to change and become your friend again, not go on and on being nasty.

  But if you've not been forgiving towards others, then, when your own wrongdoing/mistakes comes to light, pride comes in. So being merciful to others is wise.
  

  (2 Corinthians 2:6-8) . . .This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary now, you should kindly forgive and comfort [him], that somehow such a man may not be swallowed up by his being overly sad. 8 Therefore I exhort you to confirm your love for him.
  

  I know one ex-elder who is extremely sorry for all he did as an elder. Struggles to make sense of it all and why he went along with it. He is deeply, deeply sorry.
  
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  Why Do Intelligent People Still Believe In The Jehovah’s Witness Religion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand it’s a cult.

  but what makes an intelligent person actually believe they have the “truth” as taught by jehovah’s witnesses??

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  One elder explained to me the reason he stays in is because he believes the 1914 maths. Sadly he is being conned but in an extremely clever way. It is the numbers that are being fiddled with. WT provides convincing answers to some of the anomalies. Academics do the same thing but come up with a different date - but it's a similar trick whether within a secular/academic frame or a WT frame.

  Why do intelligent people make wrong decisions about work, housing, investments, child rearing, whatever? Everyone makes mistakes. Some are more serious than others. Does everyone correct or do they double down on their mistakes?
  

  People have powers of reason. In relation to the Watchtower, when wrong information is broadcast/published, why do people who can reason it out go along with a falsehood? Sometimes it is a coping mechanism because they are in a very difficult situation and they don't know the Bible very well.

  Yes, they hold on to a set of superstitious beliefs. But so do a lot of other people in all walks of life.They should all know better but it's not like that. Crafty lies are powerful things.